• Anonymous -9 חודשים לִפנֵי

  I listened to your shiur about the Aron's poles. I understand the mitzvah that the poles can never be removed (to the extent that someone with my background can understand it), but if the drawings in the Mishkan book that I looked at are accurate, the handles/poles are wider/thicker at the ends than they are in the middle. So it seems that the poles couldn't be removed even if one wanted to do so. Furthermore, that raises the question, how did they insert the poles into the rings if the ends of the poles were so thick?

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    YYJ -9 חודשים לִפנֵי

    Yes, this is from Talmud Yuma 72a. Here is a link to the Talmud with English:https://www.sefaria.org/Yoma.72a.11?lang=bi
    Because of the prohibition, hence they ensured that the edges were thicker, so they would indeed not fall out.How did they get in? Either through squeezing (rashi ibid.), or maybe they made the rings after the poles were there already. But it does not seem that way. 

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  Evelyn -2 שנים לִפנֵי

  Thank you Rabbi

  i try to have you accompany my 2 mile walk so I can learn amidst Hashem's outdoor beautiful bounty... this class was especially meaningful to me - as I found that my brother- once a Baal Tshuva- now a charedi in Jerusalem - both of us children of Holocaust survivors- who grew up without Torah - I envisioned'my brother' as the 'portable' Torah and opened its pages to me!

  thank you for all that you do to keep Torah spreading and renewing Jewish lives

  evelyn fabrikant 

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  Isaac -3 שנים לִפנֵי

  Here is the myth: The queen of the British Empire, Victoria, and her husband Prince Consort Albert were visiting family in Hanover, Germany, when the unexpected happened; Queen Victoria went into labor two months before her due date. Moshe Montefiore, who was a financial advisor to the British government, arrived at the Court of Hanover during this time, and found the members of the Court in an uproar. The premature birth seemed inevitable, but it would pose a major problem.

  If the baby was born on German land, his right to succeed the throne may be endangered since he would then be considered a German citizen. Later that afternoon, Montefiore went to daven in the shul of Rabbi Nathan Adler, a Rav in Hanover. After mincha, he related the dilemma of the British Royal family to Rav Adler, and Rav Adler had a brilliant suggestion. He advised that the Queen be placed on an English ship, which would travel three kilometers from German land until it reached international waters.

  The baby, who would hopefully cooperate with these plans, would be born on a British ship in international waters, and would thereby be considered as if he was born on British land. Montefiore rushed to the Court to relay this advice, and the royal attendants rushed Queen Victoria to the British warship, the Arc Royal.

  Later that night, the Queen gave birth to a boy, who was destined to become King Edward VII. Many years later, Queen Victoria saw a notice from the Dukes Place synagogue in London. The shul was seeking applicants for a rabbi, which was considered a very prominent position. Many rabbis from all over the world applied for the position, including Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch.

  The Queen, however, was partial to a certain applicant, whose name she recognized from years before, Rabbi Nathan Adler. She sent a note to the shul, stating her preference for Rabbi Adler, who had come to her aid many years before. The shul did choose Rabbi Adler, but the Queen was not yet satisfied. She proposed that Rabbi Adler become the Chief Rabbi of England, or even of the entire British Empire. A bill was voted in Parliament to decide whether the British Empire should elect a chief Rabbi, and a majority chose Rabbi Adler as Chief Rabbi of the British Empire.

  Rabbi Adler filled the post of Chief Rabbi for forty-five years. And throughout Queen Victoria's long reign (she lived until eighty-two), the Jews were treated positively and were graced with more rights than Jews in other European countries. (Chance Encounters M.L. Mashinsky) But I saw this response: I just read your story on "The Rabbi Who Saved the Monarch": I am British by birth, so it was obviously of interest to me.

  Unfortunately, a little bit of research revealed that the story is most definitely not true.  Sorry!  Please read the exchange below for more details. I suggest that you either replace the story or put in a disclaimer that it is "cute but not true".

  Thanks, Nachum Lamm recounts the fable (immortalized in a Mesorah Press book,'Chance Encounters' by M. L. Moshinsky) of how Rabbi Nathan Marcus Adler, helped by Moses Montefiore, caused Queen Victoria ("visiting theheim") to give birth (according to the book, to the future King EdwardVII, her successor) on a British ship, thereby ensuring the correct citizenship for her child. As a reward, "She was so grateful [sic] for the advice that she made him Chief Rabbi of the UK". Some facts:  All of Queen Victoria's nine children were born in England - eightin Buckingham Palace, and one at Windsor Castle.  None were born on a ship ...

  The ship is named in the book as the "Arc [sic] Royal". The first Royal sank in the seventeenth century; its successor was an aircraft carrier built-in 1938.  N. M. Adler was *elected* Chief Rabbi in 1844 by an assembly of representatives of the three most important London congregations ("....it was found that he had been almost unanimously elected, with 121votes out of a total of 143.")

  However, history does record the following (no doubt the unembellished kernel of the 'ma'aseh'): "The recommendations which he had presented were of the most cordial nature: it was said that they were backed by private communications from queen Victoria's uncle, the Duke of Cambridge, who had come into contact with him as Viceroy of Hanover.

  Because of his German origin and upbringing, the Prince Consort found him congenial company; and family legend [Adler family legend -- PS] tells how he, an expert in the problems of nationality, warned the Queen on a historic occasion of the legal complications that might ensue were any of her children born in Germany."  (C. Roth, "History of the Great Synagogue').  Moses Montefiore is nowhere to be found ...  Interestingly, one of the defeated candidates for the post of chief rabbi was a young Rabbi S. R. Hirsch, whose application letter for the post is printed in the Kluger edition of Hirsch's Teshuvot, etc, "Shemeshmarpei".  Next, Mr. Lamm tells us that the Queen heard Rabbi Adler duchaning(cf other postings -- not recorded whether this was Mincha, Neilah,Shabbat/Yomtov ...), and incorporated the chant into a Royal funeral lament.  This, too, has a historical kernel, although apparently not because Victoria heard it in the ezras noshim, as Adler died in The Jewish Encyclopaedia records (sv Blessing, Priestly) that the niggun used in England was associated particularly with days on whichYizkor was said:

  "From this, it has come to be widely known as "NiggunMetim" or "The Chant of the Dead." Its recent history is of particular interest. Developed with insight and feeling by Cantor Naumbourg of Paris, an instrumental arrangement was published in E. Pauer and L. Cohen's "Traditional Hebrew Melodies," London, 1896, which attracted the attention of the late Queen Victoria and was played as the introductory voluntary at several memorial services of the British royal family."  Finally, the closer association with Queen Victoria was of NathanMarcus Adler's son, Hermann Adler.  Hermann Adler, who served as delegate Chief Rabbi' in the years when his father was indisposed and had retired to Brighton, affected the dress and manners of an Anglican bishop. Queen Victoria referred to him as 'my Chief Rabbi'.

  I would like to thank Mr. Lamm for causing me an entertaining hour or sorooting through some books and the internet, and apologize, if apologybe needed, for spoiling the story! Paul Shaviv, Toronto.

  Paper read by Mr. Marcus N. Adler, at the Jewish Institute in London, on the 6th of June, 1909, on the occasion of the Jubilee of the Chief Rabbi. Reprinted from the JEWISH CHRONICLE. “The story of Rabbi N. Adler and the Queen has been circulating in the Adler family but I also heard it from Rabbi Moishe Schneider zt”l during one of his mussar schmuessen long before I joined the family,” writes HaRav Yitzchak Kaufman of B’nei Brak, who is married to a descendant of Rav Nathan Adler. He concludes, “Today, in B’nei Brak alone, there are over 300 yungeleit, descendants of the family, learning in local kollelim and yeshivos. The patriarch of the family did a favor for the Queen, resulting in his emigration from Germany to England, where he founded generations of Torah-true descendants devoted to a life of Torah and avodas Hashem.” Luckily this gives its source, namely "(From “THE ADLER FAMILY -- ITS GENEALOGY; WITH SOME REMINISCES”) described as "Paper read by Mr. Marcus N. Adler, at the Jewish Institute in London, on the 6th of June, 1909, on the occasion of the Jubilee of the Chief Rabbi. Reprinted from the JEWISH CHRONICLE." As it turns out, The Adler Family - It's Genealogy with Some Reminisces is available to read or download. Now, I was expecting some variation of this story to appear in it, but although there is a section on Montefiore, nothing even remotely like this story appears. I figured I'd better look up the paper in the Jewish Chronicle since this pamphlet was reprinted from that newspaper. Sure enough, the entire speech is printed in the June 11, 1909 issue, but it is identical to the pamphlet, which you can read yourself quite easily. So what gives?

  Now, the story is strange for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that there seems to be no record or hint that Edward was born on a British ship. In fact, his page on Wikipedia says that he was born at Buckingham Palace. Furthermore, he wasn't Victoria's eldest, but her second child. It is entirely possible that some sort of Adler family legend to this effect existed, but it surely wasn't mentioned by his son Marcus Nathan (who does mention family lore that they are descended from the compiler of Yalkut Shim'oni -- however, he examines that claim critically, as his father no doubt did or would have). In fact, the source is probably from outside the Adler family, I imagine.

  The oral source the author gives, HaRav Yitzchak Kaufman" of B’nei Brak, who is married to a descendant of Rav Nathan Adler" relates that he heard this from Rabbi Moishe Schneider in a mussar schmuess long before joining the Adler family. It may well be that the 300+ strong Adler yungeleits in B'nei Brak tell this story, but it seems to me more likely that it came to them through mussar schmuessen and the like rather than from anything that the family patriarch ever said or did.

  That said, IIRC the Chief Rabbi was known to the royal family from his Hanover days -- a historian writes that "Whilst Rabbi in Hanover, he became acquainted with Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge, regent of the province, who is thought to have recommended him for the post of Chief Rabbi in Britain" -- and perhaps Victoria did pen a note to the Duke's Palace synagogue supporting his candidacy.

  Incidentally, Montefiore's diaries (from 1812-1883) don't seem to know of anything remotely like this incident or mention the HMS Arc Royal or know that he was in Hanover at any time besides 1857 and 1872hat's the deal with the R. N.M. Adler-Queen Victoria story? Some additional light.

  Follow up to this post: A really odd Godol story about Rabbi Nathan Marcus Adler, Moses Montefiore, and Queen Victoria. First the background. Although highly Teutonic, the Kingdom of Hanover was a territory under British sovereignty. In fact, the kings of Hanover were British royalty. See Monty Python sketches with Victoria speaking German. In any case, this is the British connection with Hanover. Here are some excerpts from the article "Chief Rabbi Nathan Marcus Adler (1803-1890) Jewish Educator from Germany" by H. D. Schmidt in LBIY 7 (1962): "In 1837 William IV died and the laws of Hanover did not permit Queen Victoria to become Queen of Hanover. The new King, Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland, a son of King George III, abolished the liberal constitution and chased the protesting liberal professors out of the country. . .

  In 1841 a letter reached Dr. Adler appealing for a contribution towards the relief of the Jews of Smyrna. The appeal was signed by Moses Montefiore. Dr. Adler sent twenty Pounds. It was the first point of contact between Dr. Adler and that nineteenth-century leader of Western Jewry. Despite the official connection between Hanover and Britain for so many years, Adler's personal contact with England was not wide. In 1842 London's chief rabbi passed away.

  After an "interregnum" of two years, the Ashkenazi community declared the position vacant. A selection committee was formed among the honorary officers of the Ashkenazi synagogues. There was a dispute about the system of election as a result of which Birmingham, Bristol, and Newcastle Ashkenazi congregations declined to vote. The recently established reformed community of London had been placed under a cherem (ban) by the deceased Chief Rabbi and refused to have anything to do with that office, which had no place in the British Constitution, and which was, in their view, an obstacle to progress. Negotiations were long and tedious. Anglo-Jewry only numbered about twenty thousand people — mostly residing in London — but communal unity was not one of its virtues. Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews lived their lives apart.

  The reform schism had made matters worse. Communal administration in which the state took no part, generated much heat and little efficiency. Most of the influence and the communal service came from a few wealthy families. The vote of the Rothschilds carried more weight than hundreds of less prominent names. In 1844 a shortlist of candidates was drawn up containing four rabbis, all from Northern Germany, Dr. Adler, Dr. Auerbach, Samson R. Hirsch, and H. Hirschfeld. Sir Barrow Ellis, the chairman of the Selection Committee, judiciously sounded the views of the other members of the Committee.

  They wanted a man who was a firm opponent of the reformers, yet no fanatic, inquisitorial, militant puritan. He had to fit into the British climate of moderate conservatism. One decisive vote, however, was cast by a Gentile. The Duke of Cambridge, ex-Viceroy of Hanover, thought he knew who was the right person the community wanted. In Britain, important decisions are often arrived at over a cup of tea. So the Warden of the Great Synagogue, Baron Lionel de Rothschild, probably had tea with the Duke one fine day and the Duke convinced the Warden that Dr. Adler was the best choice. Out of the 134 votes cast, therefore, Dr. Adler received 121 and that settled the matter. Provincial Jewry was still very insignificant and Rothschild's views were not secret."

  There you have it. In the fanciful account Victoria's son's right to the British crown might be contested "since he'd be considered a German citizen," but the fact was that Victoria's own right to the crown of Hanover was not allowed by Hanover's laws. In addition, we see that the influence of the Duke of Cambridge was crucial in tipping the scales heavily in R. Nathan Marcus Adler's favor.

  I guess Duke of Cambridge, ex-Viceroy of Hanover isn't nearly as dramatic as Queen Victoria. In any case, it's still puzzling to me that such a specific source (a printed lecture of the rabbi's son) is cited. It is to be noted that over 5 years before my post Paul Shaviv debunked the story, and he did it without Wikipedia orArchive.org, although he does say that it took an entertaining hour with books and the internet. 

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  Terry -6 שנים לִפנֵי

  What the Jews did not tell the Dalai Lama

  Just one word : Yes!!!!..Thank you for these,wonderful insights.

   

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  Berl Velman -10 שנים לִפנֵי

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  Hello Rabbi Jacobson......
  
  
  
  I did send you email a week ago and still have no answer......
  
  
  
  This is Berl Velman from Toronto, Canada.
  
  
  
  I hope you still remember me ???
  
  
  
  My nice problem is: " The subject is KOHELET"
  

  
  Nobody here in Toronto can not give me an answer regarding this work of Shlomo Ha Melech.......
  
  I even asked Rabbi Levy Jacobson - he does not have any Chadic's works on this subject.

  
  
  
  Please let me know if any leterature on English or Russian available. I am looking for somebody with whom I can get much deeper in this subject.
  
  
  
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