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  Chatzkel -12 שנים לִפנֵי

  Shorter but more powerful
  The shorter, more powerful version of the mayseh is this - not that the Mosheleh was a drunkard, not that the man had children, not even that he was an orphan; he was a simple, unlearned Jew, an am ha'aretz, but that his simple explanation to his wife, "I'm an ignorant man, I have no learning, but I know that the Aybishter sent us to the land of Egypt and we were enslaved and now we're free and it was all His will and we must now remember that we're all princes and princesses."  This heartfelt cry of the knowledge of the bitterness of slavery and the promise of redemption was worth more than all of the kavannot and secret knowledge that the Barditchever Rav had.

  השיבו לתגובה זו.סמן את התגובה הזו.

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  Amazing -12 שנים לִפנֵי

  what an incredible story
  BH
  
  
  
  Thank you for sharing, the power of the Jew, even in the depth of despair and to come out with the positive in everything.
  
  
  

  השיבו לתגובה זו.סמן את התגובה הזו.

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  Marvin -12 שנים לִפנֵי

  Horrible Story
  it doesn't sound that the alcoholic in your story recovered. he continued to drink at the seder, and it seemed his wife did not have the capacity to make the proper choice of protecting the children from his behavior. in your story she continued and seemed to encourage him to drink. she should have not allowed wine to be served at the table to an her alcoholic husband.
  
  
  
  it was no mitzvah she was providing, and it was a dis service to her children. this is the story of a broken man, breaking apart his family. no passover was experienced here. showing up to the table drunk from
  
  the night before, and continuing to drink wine is not a celebration. it is a sad story that could have a happy ending, but this tale ends unresolved.
  
  
  
  i have known alcoholics who have cleaned up their lives. pouring the wine at a seder to an alcoholic is not a way to celebrate the passover. an alcoholic is not free, that person is  still a slave. nothing is more important to an alcoholic than the next drink.
  
  
  
  not his wife, children, a passover sedar, and even his relationship with God. your story makes it sound acceptable that the father could call a seder to his holy children, and as long as there is a seder  everything will be all right. this is not the case here. the experience of the seder was destroyed, and
  
  potentially this man's life is on the verge of a path of self destruction.
  
  
  
  just wishing that he had a passover seder like someone else who was not drinking is not enough to address the real issue of this family's situation. his wife should have taken him to a doctor/hospital for help the morning of pasover, the night after he drank himself nearly to death. propping him up
  
  at the dinner table was foolish on her part, and setting a poor example of how to treat a person if they are ever act this way. the moral here is, the seder  must go on. the real moral should be: when a man needs help, do what can to provide that assistance to the best of your ability. the children are blameless.
  
  the wife is part of the problem, and the husband is sick (alcoholism is a disease) and needs help. not a fake sedar. if he had been hit by a car, and had a broken leg should he stay at the seder table bleeding? sometimes we bleed on the outside, other times on the inside.
  
  
  
  is there an ending to this story, or does it stop with the father passing out at the seder?
  
  what impact did this have on the children?
  
  how can a marriage survive this kind of stress?
  

  השיבו לתגובה זו.סמן את התגובה הזו.

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  Robert -12 שנים לִפנֵי

  Drunkard's Seder
  I hated this story. Have heard many a old drunkard babbling. It's not a pretty sight. This one wakes up his children to babble, then procedes to chug a lug 4 cups of wine! So bad for children to watch in horror the behavior of an alcoholic parent. This might make children want to avoid The Seder forever, G-d forbid. This is one story I'll never tell, as it seems to me to be loshon hara.
  

  השיבו לתגובה זו.סמן את התגובה הזו.

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  Malka -12 שנים לִפנֵי

  2 holy sederim
  What a beautiful story within a story--I hope that each one of us can also connect to Hashem like that during our sederim this year--and then for sure we'll be out of this galus!

  השיבו לתגובה זו.סמן את התגובה הזו.

Yossi Paltiel

• December 7, 2010
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• 30 Kislev 5771
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• 604 צפיות

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