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Yud Tes Kislev Farbrengen with Rabbis YY & Shais Taub: Tanya for Our Times

We Are Not Bad People Trying to Be Good; We Are Broken People Trying to Be Whole

6 hr 25 min

Class Summary:

Rabbi YY Jacobson lead a Farbrengen for Yud-Tes/Chaf Kislev together with Rabbi Shais Taub, with musical accompaniment by Eli Marcus & Yisroel Edelson. The event was on Wednesday evening, 20 Kislev, 5782, November 24, 2021, at the Ohr Chaim Shul, 20 Forshay Rd (Tent ג'), Monsey, NY.

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  • Anonymous -2 years ago

    I new R usher arkovitz , i couldnt stop crying  hearing this  amazing unbelevable story, that one good man with one good word can save a humen being mamesh, phsicly and spirtatlly , d

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    Malkah Gittel -2 years ago

    Please help me locate the chapter(s) in Tanya which point to the idea that Animal Soul is NOT synonymous with Yetzer Hara.

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  • Anonymous -2 years ago

    What is rabbi yy email adress?

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Who was you leader -- is GD not still there?

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    • Anonymous -2 years ago

      you ask dumb questions

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        Kj -2 years ago

        Was that truly a dumb question, or, were you not able to comprend the meaning/depth?

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    yehudah stillman efrat -2 years ago

    no words to express the magnificance of this deep interplay between to great chassidim of the Rebbe. 

    you guys exceeded all your limitations. Yashar Koach. fantastic discussions of the basics of the Tanya!

    thank you!!!!!

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  • Anonymous -2 years ago

    This was a beautiful evening of revealation and deepening...an opportunity to awaken to the habitual and preceedurally learned ways that we have all learned to survive, which block us from thriving and fearlessly embracing Hashem, others and ourselves...

    However, with all due respect I feel that there was a missed opportunity to model how to really be present to and with another. About six hours into the night with Mendel... Rabbi YY I loved how you began to physicalized an intellectual concept with him.You brought him near, gently turned him, physically essentially aligning yourself him. However, he wasnt getting the concept...and was saying over and over "I don't get it". In the end he put his head on the table and appeared so alone, unheard and withdrawn. I was  shocked...that was a complete re-enactment of exactly what you are so deeply trying to verbalize and speaking about trying to repair...I was also shocked that not one man there put their hand on his shoulder to comfort him... In my mind I had hoped that you would bring Mendel back and let him bring you near, gently turning you so that you could see and hear what he needed to be heard and deeply understood.

    I offer this with all due respect ...thank you for your unrelenting toiling with the deepest of the deep

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    • Anonymous -2 years ago

      I agree, I wish someone would've given him a hug...

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      Kj -2 years ago

      Jacob had to wrestle with Gd alone.  To run to one wrestling with the things of Gd is flesh.  Flesh cannot meet the need of the soul!

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    Molly -2 years ago

    The truth about us

    At first you may feel OMG 7 plus hours it's not even worth starting.....

    But take it at your speed and listen to every word !

    You might even want to hear it all over so it actully goes in and becomes part of you.

    See for yourself..... 

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    Devorah -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    With all respect Rabbis, I’ve been watching virtually for the last 5 1/2 hours and wondering whether you could address some more of the questions. I sent one in anonymously regarding going through challenges and depression.

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    abe -2 years ago

    please dont use rhw word " (they) can't", as one should never underestimate the power of Bechira

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Or, let me embrace that scared, confused child within that was trampled because ivalue that child.  I will love the crying child within until he heals and can live and feel again.  I will show that child who Gd knows he is as His creation!

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    peretz -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Rabbi Taub mentioned that the nefesh elokis is seeking Gd in its pursuit of fulfillment, and that the nefesh habahamas is just trying to survive, and not seeking closeness to Gd. 1)I faintly remember there being a maamer in Likutei Torah where it is stated that the draw to pleasure of the nefesh habahamis is an expression of the spiritual delight of the nefesh elokis (closeness to Gd (hasagas elokus) - but by the parameters of the nefesh habahamis? how could we then say the nefesh habahamis is "trying to survive"?! IT IS TRYING TO CONNECT

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    y -2 years ago

    hamtakat ha... bsharoshom. is the key!!!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    They say you stop growing at the point of trauma.  Growing again, with new life, and that from Gd, is key!

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    Yochanan Gordon -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    In light of the new definition of Yetzer Hora; I wanted to ooont out the word “ra” comes from ra’ua which means feeble, weak and essentially broken.

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Or, nobody taught me the social skills needed to succeed!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    I'm broken...or, I believe the lies of the serpent who said I was trash when Gd said I was His beloved creation?

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    Kj -2 years ago

    You are not just wonderful because of who you are. You, like GD, are wonderful because you are His creation, which was created in His image.  All things of Gd are wonderful beautiful, etc.

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    Chaya -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Crying out from Los Angeles- Hashem took away our LEADER from us….How do we move forward??

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Or, like Eve and the serpent -- you will be like GD..do it my way!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Ah, you survive by and through the law of Gd and it's covering, protection, power and vengeance!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    And, when GD tells you who you are to Him personally, nothing else will ever matter again!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    A holy relationship, not just a relationship.

    A relationship steeped in love for GD and His ways!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    So, if one is really looking for Gd, is the reason child abuse is prevalent because folks are trying to access a certain aspects of the purity of Gd only available through a child?

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    abe -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    so a frum therapist just means theyre a therapist and also frum. but doesnt mean the therapy is a frum one, alpi torah, tanya etc. may hashem save children from such sins

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    Anonymous -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    I think it is very disrespectful to refer to an alcoholic as a “drunk” - that is NOT reminding someone that they are a piece of Gd MAMASH. Thank you

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Ah, but the angel had to come to Jacob to wrestle first!

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    Kj -2 years ago

    Looking for Hashem in the flesh is still flesh.  Looking for Hashem in alcohol is flesh!

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    Chaya Hornstein -2 years ago

    wow!! thx! may it be a zchus!!

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  • Anonymous -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Ok. So we dont exist, but we feel like we exist, and Hashem is recreating us into something that is non-existent and this non existent human is here to serve Hashem?

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    Malka -2 years ago

    Is this working for anyone else? I don't see the feed. 

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    Tzvi Jacobs -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    I have joined a a Jewish mindfulness group. One of the exercises is be aware of breathing, or on your feet. Etc it works for many people. I asked my teacher and He does hitbonenus by meditating on a Chassidus concept that talks to me and staying with it for a long time. Either way is a challenge for me. What is your opinions?

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    Shmuel -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    How can we actually apply chassidus into our life?

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    Mordechai Litzman -2 years ago

    Sound

    The only sound that works now is the piano. It looks like people are singing but no sound from any other feed.

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    Yechiel Silber -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Is the avodah of merirus and bitush described in Tanya still meant to be done today? If so, how should it be done?

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    Rochel -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    I love your questions people!! I second them all!

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    chana p -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    how do you prevent burn-out

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  • BC

    bracha cohen -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    hi deos it say anywhere in chassidus how to deal with jealousy ?

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    Debbie -2 years ago

    We're always learning that Hashem will continually give us challenges. So are we to think whenever things are a little bit better and there is finally some sense of calmness, there will/must always be a  storm to follow? I have been in such depression and anxiety and now for whatever reason Hashem has brought in a sense of calmness. I daven every day to hold onto this and daven to Hashem so, I knw this might sound strange, that he understands this calmness allows me to focus on doing Chesed... for other people and concentrate less on only myself - which tends to happen when one finds themselves in an abyss. There is a part of me just waiting...

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    Moshe B. -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    OK, this one is a heavy one... Why do we in general feel so lonely, depressed, or generally empty? I'm not talking about happiness or lack thereof, but rather the persistent feeling that I am an empty soulless existence, and the sadness that accompanies it. Even when keeping the Torah, and getting excited for it, and being involved. And How that that be fixed?- Meaning, what can I do?

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    tzivia -2 years ago

    Esteemed Rabbis,, Presumably you will address this tonight since you are both very up to date in somatic therapies, embodied healing etc...AND excellent practitioners of the Tanya as a guide for living.

    The Tanya, as I understand it, seems to be a book on behavioral therapy/ a mind over matter method/ a 'keep you eye on the goal and push through the pain to get there' approach.

    How does that line up with so much of what we are learning today about the body keeping the score?

    None of the above-stated methods help us arrive at homeostasis where our survival brain and thinking brain are aligned. Our thinking brain is demanded to be on overdrive to achieve all of the above. Behaviors lay down new neural pathways and lead to change over time- beautiful. But even for a person in his executive functioning space, with no external triggers/threats, forcing thinking brain override (the CBT approach, and the Moach Shalit al Halev approach) we risk kindling (triggering of a memory capsule/ increasing internal sensitivity so that even when the external situation is safe, our survival brain neurocepts danger!) I.e if we are not healing internal dysregulation, behavioral therapy is not only ineffective, but coutner-productive. 

    (For example: Think of a child with social anxiety disorder, being taught how to socialize and now having a stronger awareness of how ineffective his current toolkit is! We are giving him thinking brain override tools rather than healing an internal dysregulated state.)

    So my question to you - where does chassidus address

    a) survival brain/thinking brain alignment/homeostasis.

    b) Healing from allostatic load/ rather than simply addressing the thinking brain override method.d) who is the Tanya addressing -

    (only those who have a somatic practitioner and are fully healed?) 

    Rabbi Taub- if I still have your attention, this link brought to mind ALL of the above questions. https://www.soulwords.org/video/how-to-be-here/  (In my understanding) You discuss anxiety from a THINKING brain place. I am assuming this is from a few years back, and I am wondering if you would approach this from a different place today? Or at least reframe it?

    And if yes, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR the updated version. How does Chassidus approach anxiety as a sensation rather than a thought? Now that we know that "Thinking it away" doesn't help. 

    With awe and respect of your great minds and commitment to sharing the wisdom,

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    zvi -2 years ago

    My wife has a question: why is it that by a yiddishe mother, whatever she does and how much she does, there will always be other things left to do?.....

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    isaac -2 years ago

    I have a question that has been bothering me for a long time. Why should a person believe if what he thinks or feels is right if we can have so many issues that make us interpret things the wrong way? Why is our perspective correct?

    For example, if a person keeps on hurting me, how do I know if that person is doing something wrong or I'm am just super sensitive and should not be getting hurt?

    Thank you.

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    Yoel -2 years ago

    I have been listening to your shiurim for a couple of years as you maybe heard thousands of times the god that I was raised to believe in is a punishing monster so although I'm frum my relationship with God is that I would love to run away from him but no matter were I go he's also there.

    I really wanna change my hashkafa on god but i can't find the Judaism that you talk about anywhere!! I'm really traumatized by the image i have of god and after going to therapy i still can't change that part in me one reason may be because I'm not totally sure that my hashkafa is not correct because I open Jewish books and see the same; I hear rabbis talk the same.

    So maybe you are really in the wrong and my trauma is justified, that is real Judaism?!

    My question is can you recommend me a book or something to change the way I see G-d and also how is it that books that were written by big Jewish personas teach such a distorted image of god thank you for your shiurim. You are the best! 

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    A JEW -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    DOES TAYNA ADREESES TRAUMA

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    leaah -2 years ago

    question

    My actual deep question is how much are we supposed to listen/trust the opinions and studies of renowned speakers who speak about Trauma and anxiety but don’t believe in God and have an entirely different view of the world, the reason for creation, and why we’re in this world.

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    Hillel -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    How do I get an 11 year old boy to understand that it's not okay to be chutzpadick (like imitating the rebbe in class) to his rebbe and not hurting my kids feeling ?

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    Menachem Angster -2 years ago

    Women coming to the fabrengen

    Is there going to be a place for women to come for the fabrengen?

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      Admin -2 years ago

      Yes there will place for women by farbrengen on other side of mechitza

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      Yosef Yitzchak Jacobson -2 years ago

      Yes

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    Leah -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Why is the tanya called Sefer Shel Benunim? Why is not sefer reshaim? I am noticing that often, the Tanya's message is given over as a source of direction and encouragement for those who are imperfect. However, as the Alter Rebbe defines a Benuni in the first chapter of Tanya, a Benuni is perfect in thought, speech, and action. The Alter Rebbe says we can choose to be a Benuni at any moment, but at least I don't think I will see that I was "קרוב אליך" to being a real Beinuni for more than a minute. Many of the demands that Tanya makes of us seem not so קרוב אליך. I would love to hear an explanation of this.

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    Yonah binyamin -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    What's wanted of me? How do I find my place in the big picture of bringing moshiach?

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    Yonah binyamin -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    Also, learning Tanya is one thing, but how do we practically apply it to our everyday lives?

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    Yonah binyamin -2 years ago

    Question for Rabbi YY

    What does it mean to receive moshiach? (kabolas pnei moshiach).

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Yud Tes Kislev 5782 Farbrengen

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Dedicated by Nochum Litkowsky in memory of his father, Shimon ben Yisroel, for the 51st yartzeit on Yud-Tes Kislev.

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