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  mendel -3 years ago

  If ואהבת ....כמוך ....ואידך זיל גמור how does one logically get to chukim. This is not a question on the shiur - rather one that came to mind listening. 
  I think the answer lies later in the shiur but I don’t see it with clarity. 
  חוקה חקקתי ........להרהר אחריה So why did King Solomon try to figure it out and why do we have commentary on the Red Hiefer. 
  This was possibly answered later - as I understand it there are parallel paths but ultimately we have to believe we do not have to understand- please advise 
  The problem is that every cult is premised on this - so how do we draw the distinction if intellect need not enter the equation and if it does we are back to the question. 
  I need some guidance- really - but in light of the question - my request is funny  when can we talk 
  And then you asked my question but I need help with the answer. 
  רצון למעלה מין השכל Does it mean it is above, more powerful, or deeper. I think many times it is below in terms of logical analysis. Every compulsive or impulsive act seems to indicate that will is beneath logic, while will is more powerful. Might it be more accurate to say that will is overarching? 

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  Sarah Goldberg -3 years ago

  It was said that a therapist "hits the spot" when the patient

  Stops giving reasons and rationalizations. The layers of intellectual  and logical wrapping has been stripped and pure rotzon is exposed.  Presumably then, once true rotzon, the true hidden driving force is revealed, healing can begin.  It can't begin with defensive logic,  reasons,  justifications  and terutzim.

   And this mirrors Hashem who we say had pure rotzon to create the world, whose hidden rotzon is behind both mitzvos our seychel cam understand and those seychel can't grasp.  Supposedly He allowed us to try to understand the surface only of part of  the  mitzvos.  But ultimately, all mitzvos come from his rotzon even those somewhat understandable by our logic and seychel.  

    I see a problem here when Hashem's rotzon is compared to the therapist's patient's rotzon. 

    Hashem is all good. Even what appears to us to be bad will be shown ultimately to be good.  Its just that sometimes the good is covered by what appears to be bad. 

    Let's say Hitler, ym"S was by his therapist. The therapist digs and digs, or the patient digs on his own. Ultimately the logic and rationalizations and terutzim and reasons are stripped away and the core rotzon comes out.  He may have said that yidden control the money, deny xianity,  control this or that, own all the property etc as terutzim.  Then they're stripped away and his core pure rotzon comes out. 

  He simply says "I hate yidden.  Period".

  What does the therapist then do? 

   Some core humam desires, core rotzon and will are positive, are neutral,  are innocuous, etc. And once the core rotzon is revealed true therapy can begin. 

  Once we know Hashem's core rotzon we realizw we must simply do whether or not we understand.  

   But in the case of people, especially very sick people,  the core rotzon can easily be bad, even evil. What then? 

   What to do when such evil rotzon is revealed. Sure the therapist and the patient have stripped away false terutzim,  but they have revealed a bigger, badder monster.  

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  Sam -3 years ago

  Mitzvos are beyond our understanding

  If so then why does the Torah write reasons for most of the mitzvos? 

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  Sarah Goldberg -3 years ago

  Perhaps a simplistic way of summing it up, there are 3 hierarchical approaches:

  #1. We follow those mitzvos that are susceptible to logic and seychel and do those only. Anything beyond seychel we don't believe and don't do. We can climb up the ladder only so far and not further.

  #2  We understand that our intellect.is limited so we believe and do those mitzvos susceptible to logic  but we ALSO realize as honest people that there are things, matters and mitzvos that are NOT susceptible to logic so we do those also based on pure faith and set aside the need for a logical understanding 

  #3. We realize that ALL mitzvos and indedc EVERYTHING comes from the rotzon Hashem, but can be subdivided into 2 categories, one the matters and mitzvos we can understand and two, those which we can't. I.e. both categories come from the same rotzon. 

  Like the child that understands that he must obey his parent precisely because it is the parents will, whether or not the order is understandable  to the child. 

  Notice some understand more, some less but if we do it because that's His will it doesn't matter that we understand.  (Stillwell are also commanded to.try to understand as much as possible) 

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    Sarah Goldberg -3 years ago

    I would add, perhaps, a fourth approach,, below #1 above: those who will only do the logical mitzvos they agree with and not the mitzvos, even though logical, that they don't agree with! (and even more will do aveitahs like the yidden who reversed their bris so as to participate in greek sports) ) This category doesn't evdn make into the maamer and certainly didn't bother the Greeks! 

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  Sarah Goldberg -3 years ago

  What's the difference, if any,, between

  A parent saying to a child "because I'm the parent and I said so" in response to the child asking why he has to do something and 

  Suprarational mitzvos.

  Both are the unexplained and perhaps unexplainable rotzon of the parent and Hashem 

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