Video: Ruth -- Class 5
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A Sword in the Beis Midrash -- Part 2
The Perspective of the Brisker Rav and the Ben Eish Chai on the Debate on the Jewish Identity of Ruth & King David. Studying the book of Ruth, Class 5
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Also, "yishee ba\'ohel" can be applied literally, vhamaskil yavin, descendant of Dovid Hamelech.
Halacha 18
Re: Halacha 18
By the way, in “chedushei Hagrez” by the Brisker Rav to Ruth it says that Amasa was the one who said this in the beis midrash. Yet it seems it is an error. It was Amasa’s father, Yisra, who said it.
I did not understand your second question, please explain. And what is "halacha 18?"
Re: B"H
I call this Gevaldic
I reacently met a Jewish woman who only keeps what seems to her ethical to keep(I know, all the Torah Laws are ethical). I wanted to explain about Oral tradision but I did not know how. I will tell her to watch this shiur. The principals of Oral Tradition became so clear to me thanks to this shiur. The truth about Moshia ben Yosef and ben David are facinating. And of course, the wisdom of the Rosh Yashivah about deployment of Jewish women was just marvelous.
Harsh
Is this again part of the birthpangs of future and retroactive suffering that Dovid Hamelech and his entire dynasty and identity starting from Ruth being under scrutiny and possibly refuted or falsfied, one of the harsh and excruciating conditions that must be met for him to merit the royal lineage that will haerald the redmeption?
I mean the very fact that Davids lineage is continually discussed and debated even as a story for future generations about its Jewish identity, isnt that painful?
Re: Harsh
Dovid Ben Gurion
amzallag
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Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
Do you where I can find a PDF of the B"R book on Ruth, I can\'t seem to find it anywhere. Thanks, great class as usual.
Re: Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
Re: Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
As opposed to the Ramab"m who only mentions that it happened to be a HL"M. As well the Ramba"m in his Pirush Hamishnayos explains that a HL"M is not something which people could forget. Hence this cannot be the case here for the Gemara states that this Halacah was clearly forgotten.
On a side note in the curriculum it states: חידושי הגרי"ז" להגאון רבי יצחק זאב הלוי סולוביציק, הרב מבריסק למגילת רות
As far as I am concerned no such Sefer exists.
Thanks for time and effort.
Re: Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
חידושי מרן הגרי"ז הלוי על תנ"ך ואגדה
Re: Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
Where is it stated in the Semag?
Re: Hlacha Lmoshe Misinai
The first one (to my knowledge) that explains the Gemara that what they recieved from shmuel was a HL"M is the Sema"g see here: http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20520&st=&pgnum=156&hilite=
Eli Melech\'s sons
So how was Orpah and Ruth considered sisters-in-law if their marriage to Ruth\'s children was not legal?
Inother words, why were Naomi\'s children allowed to marry Moabite women?
Re: Eli Melech\'s sons
As far as your question: We discussed this in the "comments" section of class 4. Here is the point: Some commentators argue that the two women, Ruth and Arpah, converted. Yet the literal reading of Ruth ch. 1 indicates that they did not convert (see Malbim to Ruth chapter 1), rather they "married Moavite women." This demonstrates the spiritual and moral downfall of the family, of Elimelech and his two sons. It may be that Naomi could do little to stop it.
You must also recall that they married these women after their father Elimelech died.
The Midrash Rabah on Ruth 1:9 states these enigmatic words:
וַיִּשְׂאוּ לָהֶם נָשִׁים מוֹאֲבִיּוֹת: תני בשם ר\' מאיר, לא גיירום ולא הטבילו אותם ולא היתה הלכה להתחדש, ולא היו נענשין עליהם, "עמוני" ולא עמונית, "מואבי" ולא מואבית
Meaning: They did not convert them; they did not immerse them in a mikvah [for conversion]. They did not yet have the law that Moabite women may marry into the Jewish people, so that they would not get punished over them.
The commentators of the midrash debate its meaning. It is an engimatic midrash. Some say it means that they did convert them because they thought that in any case they would be forbidden to marry them.
According to the Zohar (Zohat Chadash Rus), they did convert, but it was unclear if the conversion was sincere. When Arpah left, it proved retroactively that her conversion was insincere. Ruth, on the other hand, demonstrated that her conversion was authentic.
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