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Why Can't I Benefit from Chometz on Pesach?

Advanced Talmud, Pesachim 21b -- Class 1 of 4: The Difference Between Chametz On Pesach and Non-Kosher Meat

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I miss him

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
such clarity!!!
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Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
jack
how does not eat directed at the person according to reb avahu include no benefit if its not in a passive tone..
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Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Why according to Rab avahu does it say ?יאָ כל
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Answer to Jack

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Yitzchak
Jack, the Gemarah explains that according Rabbi Abahu, he derives this from the verse by neveilah, where it says, do not eat it but you can sell it. Why would you think that you can\'t sell it, that the torah feels the need to permit selling it? The torah only says don\'t eat it, so why would you entertain the idea that you may not sell it, and the torah has to say that you can?
This demonstrates that when the Torah says don\'t eat, even if not in a pssive tone, it includes the prohibition against selling it or deriving any benefit from it. Hence the need to specify that in the case of Neveilah you may sell it.
Rabbi Piekarski, is this correct?
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oheli torah

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
dovid
oh i remmber those days in oheli torah, 1993-4, still a great mechanich!
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Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Love it
I think a little more in depth would be good, ie a vort here and there, there were some but not enogh.
Thanks so much, looking forward to next shiur.
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To BY

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Yoseph
The word "kal neveilah" I guess means to include any type of corpse of an animal. Perhaps both a kosher and non kosher corpse of an animal, if the kosher one was not slaughtered according to the law.
Rabbi Piekarsk, correct? Why does it say "kal neveilah," and not just "neveilah?"
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Gemara

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Levi S.
The picture was crystal clear Was a very nice shot.

I thought it was going to be advanced but Rabbi Piekarski makes it so clear it felt like beginners!

Perhaps you should have a chat option for questions during the class that way it will make it more interactive.

Also maybe a phone conference set up for those that want to listen and not be tied down to their computer.

It is apparent that there are other people in the room that he is talking to so it kind of loses the exclusivity that he is talking solely to you.

Thanks. It was really great! Much appreciated.
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Thank you

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Kol hakavod! Very clear, punctual/to the point, and good rhythm - very prepared which helped with the flow of information.

Also good inquiry and connecting to/referencing to the sources.

Very good considerations made for our understanding of ancient daily life, setting the context for understanding what was happening when rules were established... really helped lend to the conceptual understandings.

Looking forward to the next shiur, G-d willing.
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A mensch

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Very considerate, humble, and patient in informing us explicitly (not taking any concepts for granted) and in welcoming our input. A kiddush Hashem in your teaching, thank you.
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I have a ipad

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Yakov
I cant watch in the ipad and iphone
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Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
TRUTH BE TOLD
There was lots of clarity, yet far from advanced,and missing personality it felt robotic.

knowing allot of yeshivas that most have been through, there is strong demand for such a shiur. but allot of us need a bit more.

thanks and much success

p.s it wont hurt if he shows his hands and gets a bit more involved


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Todah Ravah for giving us this opportunity to learn Gemara!

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Kayo, Tokyo
Baruch HaShem

It was very fascinating. I am not familier with Gemara and as we can see in Rabbi Yehuda\'s statement, that one word can lead to a whole different perspective is just so exciting. Hebrew terminology was bit difficult to follow, but I prefer you use them so that I get used to them. Hope to be able to follow your shiurim. Todah.
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Kemayim Karim Al Nefesh Ayaifah

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Fresh Water
Was a pleasure to be part of Rabbi Piekarski\'s Shiur. Reminded me of the good days in Yeshiva with his occasional Blatt Shiur.
We surely start appreciating his brilliance and practical method of teaching when we\'re older with kids . . .
Thank you YYJ and Reb Ephraim for this opportunity.
PS. I loved the historical facts and basic guidelines you brought forth. A bit more advanced approach would also be appreciated!
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Question: יאכל according to ר\' אבהו

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
See מכילתא on the פסוק in פרשה טז where it cites a מחלוקת concerning לא יאכל. According to ר\' יצחק it teaches איסור הנאה (like חזקיה). According to ר\' יאשיה it teaches that one who feeds חמץ to someone else is also liable (לעשות את המאכיל כאוכל). It would seem that ר\' אבהו would agree with ר\' יאשיה.
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Answer to Jack

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
The answer by Yitzchok is right on the money. Someone is definitly listening.
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Question: כל נבילה by yosef

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
See כריתות כא,א where the גמרא derives from כל נבילה that the נבילה of a כוי is אסורה. A כוי is a ספק בהמה ספק חיה or a בריה בפני עצמה (an entirely separate species not a בהמה and not a חיה), therefore a ריבוי is necessary.
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Good to have him back

Monday, Mar 14 2011 - ח' אדר ב תשע"א
Mendel Schwartz
Thank You
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request

Tuesday, Mar 15 2011 - ט' אדר ב תשע"א
A Fan
Dear Rav,

Wow! great shiur.

maybe you would be able to look directly at camera more often.

Thank you!
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More context in the title please

Tuesday, Mar 15 2011 - ט' אדר ב תשע"א
Perplexed
can the author give some more context to the title of the shiur, i.e., what is the issue we are dealing with here?
Is chometz so unusual unique on the issue of benefitting from a davar ha\'asur?
I think that the subject sounds is a little bit vague and out of the blue.
Maybe there is a broader context we are dealing with here, i.e. benefiting from a davar ha\'asur in general, that the author can address?
Or: Whether someone can benefit from chometz or not?
And why do the chachamim hold that chametz is assur b\'hanaah?

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thank you!

Wednesday, Mar 16 2011 - י' אדר ב תשע"א
Simon Horowitz
such a great shiur!!!
clear and inspiring!
azkir al hatzion.
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Reply to \'Perplexed\'

Wednesday, Mar 16 2011 - י' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Avi Shlomo
Chometz is forbidden not only to eat, but to have any ha\'anaa, benefit from. It is unique in the sense that it is ossur bemashehu, even the most minute amount is prohibited. That is also one of the main reasons why we go to such extents to clean our homes.

According to the Rambam (Laws of Chometz and Matza Ch. 1:7) this is learned out from the posuk לא יאכל, as Chizkiya learns. Anything that can be eaten whatsoever, even less than the usual sizes of olive or egg, is edible, and therefore included.

Rabbi Piekarski, am I right? And "Perplexed", does this answer your question?
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Question: יאכל according to ר\' אבהו

Wednesday, Mar 16 2011 - י' אדר ב תשע"א
Yossi Z
From the fact that the Gemara dosent ask this simple queshtion, could it be that R\' Avahu goas acording to the Ksiv?
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Perplexed

Wednesday, Mar 16 2011 - י' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
Most איסורי אכילה are not אסור בהנאה; such as נבילה, טריפה, דם, חלב, etc. If you are in posession of these איסורים you may derive benefit from them. There are a few איסורים that are אסור בהנאה מן התורה, including חמץ בפסח, בשר בחלב, כלאי הכרם and ערלה. Each one of these require a separate לימוד to indicate why they are אסור בהנאה. These is an opinion that חמץ is not אסור בהנאה (ריה"ג on כג,א) however the חכמים maitain that חמץ בפסח is אסור בהנאה מדאורייתא. Our גמרא discusses from where do we derive this איסור.
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יאכל to Yossi Z.

Wednesday, Mar 16 2011 - י' אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
See answer posted on 3/14 @ 1:14PM
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Thursday, Mar 17 2011 - י"א אדר ב תשע"א
Perplexed
Rabbi Shlomo,

"According to the Rambam (Laws of Chometz and Matza Ch. 1:7) this is learned out from the posuk לא יאכל, as Chizkiya learns."

Is this in regard to issur hana\'ah, or issur achilah?

Rabbi Piekarski,

"Most איסורי אכילה are not אסור בהנאה"

Don\'t we hold l\'halacha according to rav avahu that

בכל איסור בו נאמר בתורה "לא תאכל", "לא יאכל" או "לא תאכלו" - האיסור כולל גם איסור בהנאה
"?

http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%94
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To \'Perplexed\'

Thursday, Mar 17 2011 - י"א אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Avi Shlomo
The fact that the prohibition is less than an olive, and even a \'kol shehu.\'

Here is the Rambam inside:

ז האוכל מן החמץ עצמו בפסח, כל שהוא--הרי זה אסור מן התורה, שנאמר "לא ייאכל, חמץ" (שמות יג,ג). ואף על פי כן אינו חייב כרת או קרבן, אלא על כשיעור שהוא כזית; והאוכל פחות מכזית במזיד, מכין אותו מכת מרדות.
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Source to the wiki qoute

Thursday, Mar 17 2011 - י"א אדר ב תשע"א
Perplexed
ח, יד) רמב"ם, הלכות מאכלות אסורות)

כל מקום שנאמר בתורה לא תאכל, לא תאכלו, לא יאכלו, לא יאכל--אחד איסור אכילה, ואחד איסור
הניה במשמע: עד שיפרט לך הכתוב, כדרך שפירט בנבילה "לגר אשר בשעריך תיתננה ואכלה" (דברים יד,כא); ובחלב שנאמר בו "ייעשה לכל מלאכה" (ויקרא ז,כד). או עד שיתפרש בתורה שבעל פה שהוא מותר בהניה, כגון שקצים, ורמשים, ודם, ואבר מן החי, וגיד הנשה--שכל אלו מותרין בהניה מפי הקבלה, אף על פי שהן אסורין באכילה.
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Excellent !

Thursday, Mar 17 2011 - י"א אדר ב תשע"א
Zvi Wallerstein
The shiur was given with clarity and enough review of concepts to make it retainable !

Thank you -
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Time Cushions for Mitzvot

Friday, Mar 18 2011 - י"ב אדר ב תשע"א
Joshua
Rabbi,

You mentioned that the Sages instituted that we should stop eating chametz 1 hour before noon time (5 hours into the day). I just listened to another shiur on this site by Rabbi Eliezer Wolf. He mentioned that the sages also instituted to only offer the mincha offering 1/2 hour after noon even though from the Torah we can do it at noon. How come the rabbis in one place make a cushion of time around a mitzvah for an hour and in another case only 1/2 hour?
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Response to Joshua

Friday, Mar 18 2011 - י"ב אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Avi Shlomo
Good question! In general there are many different "cushions" that our Sages have made, and many of them have different amounts of time.

For example, in the first Mishna of Berachos the Sages tell us to daven Maariv before midnight, even though you legally may daven until dawn.

It depends on what they are creating the cushion to protect you from. The half hour Mincha cushion is in order to ascertain that the sun has really begun to set, and has moved pass the mid-day point. For that, a half hour is enough. But for eating chometz, which is a whole meal, it is much easier to get carried away in a long meal, so an hour cushion is needed.

Does this help?
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To Rabbi Shlomo

Friday, Mar 18 2011 - י"ב אדר ב תשע"א
Perplexed
I asked Rabbi Piekarski in my previous comment based on what he wrote that
"Each one of these [איסורים] require a separate לימוד to indicate why they are אסור בהנאה."

Whether this contradicts the rambam ח, יד) הלכות מאכלות אסורות)
who writes that


כל מקום שנאמר בתורה לא תאכל," לא תאכלו, לא יאכלו, לא יאכל--אחד איסור אכילה, ואחד איסור
הניה במשמע: עד שיפרט לך הכתוב, כדרך שפירט בנבילה "לגר אשר בשעריך תיתננה ואכלה" (דברים יד,כא); ובחלב שנאמר בו "ייעשה לכל מלאכה" (ויקרא ז,כד). או עד שיתפרש בתורה שבעל פה שהוא מותר בהניה, כגון שקצים, ורמשים, ודם, ואבר מן החי, וגיד הנשה--שכל אלו מותרין בהניה מפי הקבלה, אף על פי שהן אסורין באכילה."
?
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Perplexed

Friday, Mar 18 2011 - י"ב אדר ב תשע"א
Rabbi Ephraim Piekarski
As we continue in the סוגיא we will see that there is no difference between חזקיה and ר\' אבהו. Wait for the upcoming שיעור, please.
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Tuesday, Mar 29 2011 - כ"ג אדר ב תשע"א
About the ipad
Just click on mp3
Happy learning
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